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The Theatrical Movie Business Is a Disaster, So ‘The Farewell’ Is a Miracle, With Lulu Wang | Interview

July 16, 2019/ 94 min/ Sean Fennessey · Amanda Dobbins

Stuber and Hobbs & Shaw make the case that the studio comedy is dying; Crawl and The Farewell make the case that word of mouth still works. Plus, Lulu Wang on making The Farewell exactly the way she wanted to.

47 films across 8 segments.

AI-generated This episode was transcribed and analyzed with AI models. The matches aren't perfect — expect the occasional misheard title or a link to the wrong film.

Stuber, Hobbs & Shaw, and the Studio Comedy's Death Spiral

Stuber poster

Stuber 2019

Kumail Nanjiani and Dave Bautista's Lethal Weapon riff opened to $8 million and 47% on Rotten Tomatoes; Fennessey had a nice time, almost nobody else showed up.

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Set It Up 2018

The Glen Powell one Dobbins calls genuinely great.

When Harry Met Sally poster

When Harry Met Sally 1989

The Rewatchables episode sent Fennessey back for a rewatch; still the bar nothing since really clears.

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Two Weeks Notice 2002

Sandra Bullock and Hugh Grant, a lesser rom-com from a stronger era, complete with an unfortunate Trump cameo.

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Shazam! 2019

A teen comedy that happens to be a superhero movie, and does exactly what it needs to for the audience that wanted it.

The Self-Referential Summer Slateeverything left on the calendar either leans on nostalgia or comments on its own genre

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Yesterday 2019

A Beatles jukebox movie riding on unimpeachable IP; both hosts found it a little disappointing anyway.

Blinded by the Light poster

Blinded by the Light 2019

Built around Bruce Springsteen's music the way Yesterday is built around the Beatles — Fennessey's pick as the one exception that might actually work.

Good Boys poster

Good Boys 2019

The comedy both hosts are watching as a bellwether for whether studios keep funding movies like this.

Charlie's Angels poster

Charlie's Angels 2019

Elizabeth Banks's reboot; Dobbins respects it in theory, doesn't need it in practice.

Clerks poster

Clerks 1994

Where Kevin Smith's View Askewniverse starts.

Jersey Girl poster

Jersey Girl 2004

One of the movies Smith made after exiting the View Askewniverse, before circling back to it.

Poms poster

Poms 2019

The Diane Keaton/Jacki Weaver retirement-home cheerleading movie nobody saw.

Sword of Trust and The Art of Self-Defense Find Their Audiences

Sword of Trust poster

Sword of Trust 2019

Lynn Shelton directs Marc Maron in a modest indie that found a modest, appropriate audience.

Fox, Disney, and the Movies Stuck in Limbo

Dark Phoenix poster

Dark Phoenix 2019

The other post-merger Fox release Disney didn't quite know what to do with.

Ford v Ferrari poster

Ford v Ferrari 2019

Got the NBA Finals trailer push — the tell that a studio is betting on it as an awards contender.

Spies in Disguise poster

Spies in Disguise 2019

Will Smith-voiced animated action comedy, bounced around the release calendar.

Crawl and the Case for Theatrical B-Movies

Crawl poster

Crawl 2019

Alexandre Aja's alligators-in-a-flooded-crawlspace movie; a B-movie delight where the crowd cheered every gator kill.

Point Blank poster

Point Blank 2019

A Netflix shoutout — Anthony Mackie thriller with a house-escape opening set to Black Flag's 'Rise Above.'

The Farewell

The Farewell poster

The Farewell 2019

A24's Sundance hit, Awkwafina's first dramatic role. $350,000 on four screens over the weekend — the year's best per-screen average, even with a New York blackout eating some showtimes.

Midsommar poster

Midsommar 2019

One of the alternatives on the shortlist Fennessey's wife passed on.

Oscar Season Housekeepingtitles listeners said got left off last week's Best Picture conversation

Ad Astra poster

Ad Astra 2019

James Gray's father-in-space movie, moved to September; he's never actually competed for an Oscar.

Jojo Rabbit poster

Jojo Rabbit 2019

Taika Waititi, by early word, at his best.

The Two Popes poster

The Two Popes 2019

Fernando Meirelles directs Jonathan Pryce and Anthony Hopkins as Pope Francis and Pope Benedict XVI, written by Anthony McCarten.

City of God poster

City of God 2002

Meirelles's earlier, much bigger swing.

Marriage Story poster

Marriage Story 2019

Discussed as 'the untitled Noah Baumbach film' — the title hadn't been announced yet.

The Laundromat poster

The Laundromat 2019

Soderbergh's Netflix movie, filed under 'exercise' more than awards play.

The Aeronauts poster

The Aeronauts 2019

Eddie Redmayne and Felicity Jones, built for IMAX.

In Conversation

The Farewell poster
Lulu Wang on

The Farewell 2019

Her second feature, based on the This American Life story about her own family lying to her dying grandmother about the diagnosis.

Raise the Red Lantern poster
Lulu Wang on

Raise the Red Lantern 1991

A Zhang Yimou film her parents took her to as a kid in Miami; terrifying at seven or eight, reassessed years later in a college world-cinema class.

The Piano poster
Lulu Wang on

The Piano 1993

Jane Campion — one of the films that made her want to direct.

Secretary poster
Lulu Wang on

Secretary 2002

The other: a movie about S&M she found unexpectedly romantic and earnest.

Posthumous poster
Lulu Wang on

Posthumous 2014

Her directorial debut, a screwball rom-com she and a first-time producer figured out how to make with no industry connections.

Touch poster
Lulu Wang on

Touch 2015

Her short film, made through Film Independent's Project Involve — the first place she tried mixing comedy with a dark subject.

Also mentioned raised along the way

In passing Avengers: EndgameBohemian RhapsodyCharlie's Angels (2000)Charlie's Angels: Full ThrottleThe Big SickGuardians of the GalaxyAladdin

Not films filtered out: TV, games, ads

TV GlowCharlie's Angels (TV series)Family Meal (Wang's in-development series)

Specials Hannah Gadsby: Nanette

Podcasts/Radio This American LifeWTF with Marc Maron

Unproduced Children of the New World (Wang's next film, in development)