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The 'Joker' Aftermath and Martin Scorsese's Marvel Movie Mishegas | The Oscars Show

October 7, 2019/ 102 min/ Sean Fennessey · Amanda Dobbins · Chris Ryan

Sean, Amanda, and Chris Ryan sort through the Joker backlash-to-the-backlash and Martin Scorsese's Marvel comments, run down the Best Actor race, then Sean talks movies and dog ownership with Shea Serrano about his new book.

34 films across 5 segments.

AI-generated This episode was transcribed and analyzed with AI models. The matches aren't perfect — expect the occasional misheard title or a link to the wrong film.

The 'Joker' AftermathVenice win, backlash, a $93.5 million opening

Joker poster

Joker 2019

Won the Golden Lion at Venice, then went through a full backlash-to-the-backlash cycle before opening to $93.5 million, an October record, with no violent incidents at screenings. The panel thinks the first two-thirds are claustrophobic and confused but the last half hour works, and that it's less a comic book movie than a very well-marketed one.

Martin Scorsese vs. Marvelhis Empire magazine comments on comic book movies

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The Irishman 2019

Scorsese was on the press trail for this when he told Empire that Marvel movies are 'not cinema,' calling them 'theme parks' rather than films about human beings. James Gunn fired back on Twitter; Samuel L. Jackson shrugged it off. The panel mostly sides with Scorsese while granting Marvel movies their own value.

Pain and GloryPedro Almodóvar's autofiction, and the case for Antonio Banderas

Pain and Glory poster

Pain and Glory 2019

Almodóvar's roman à clef, with Banderas playing a version of the director. Amanda calls it a quiet, withdrawn physical performance, the opposite of Joaquin Phoenix's, and thinks it could put Banderas in the Best Actor conversation for the first time in a career mostly spent as an American action star.

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The Laundromat 2019

Steven Soderbergh's Panama Papers movie, also playing in a single L.A. theater that week and headed to Netflix. Sean and Amanda liked it more than the reviews suggested.

The Best Actor Racewho's in it, who gets squeezed out

Best Actor

In conversationhis new book, 'Movies and Other Things'

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John Wick 2014

One of three tough-guys-and-their-dogs movies in the book's opening chapter.

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The Drop 2014

Tom Hardy's Bob Saginowski and his dog Rocco, the second leg of that chapter.

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I Am Legend 2007

Will Smith's Robert Neville rounds out the trio.

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Selena 1997

The chapter Serrano says was locked in from day one and never at risk of being cut, unlike six or seven others.

Booksmart poster
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Booksmart 2019

Added after the book was already turned in: he watched it on vacation, emailed his editor that night, and turned in the chapter with art two days later.

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Get Out 2017

His bar for a movie showing up and grabbing everyone's attention.

Us poster
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Us 2019

Not as good as Get Out, still fun to pick apart.

Mean Girls poster
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Mean Girls 2004

The Regina George cafeteria-table chapter, his personal favorite in the book.

Clueless poster
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Clueless 1995

Brittany Murphy's character gets a seat at that table.

Boyz n the Hood poster
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Boyz n the Hood 1991

Cuba Gooding Jr.'s character also gets a seat.

American Graffiti poster
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American Graffiti 1973

Richard Dreyfuss's character makes the cut too.

Dazed and Confused poster
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Dazed and Confused 1993

Randall 'Pink' Floyd is Serrano's first pick for the table.

Hustlers poster
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Hustlers 2019

He likes the phone-interrogation joke and thinks Jennifer Lopez deserves the Oscar attention Selena never got her.

First Blood poster
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First Blood 1982

Still great, unlike Last Blood.

The Farewell poster
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The Farewell 2019

He hadn't caught it yet and wasn't sure it had played San Antonio.

Hobbs & Shaw poster
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Hobbs & Shaw 2019

Fun, but he doesn't count it as a real Fast and Furious movie without Dom in it.

Furious 7 poster
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Furious 7 2015

Calls it a genre masterpiece and the high bar the franchise has struggled to clear since.

The Fate of the Furious poster
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The Fate of the Furious 2017

Fine overall, though he could've done without the scene where Charlize Theron's character shoots a mother in front of her baby.

Also mentioned raised along the way

In passing A Star Is BornVenomKing of ComedyTaxi DriverThe MasterWalk the LineThe Last Temptation of ChristKill Bill: Vol. 1Enter the DragonJawsGuardians of the GalaxyJustice LeagueHugoGoodfellasMean StreetsSerpicoNosferatuAvengers: Endgame

Banderas and Almodóvar's back catalog Law of DesireMatadorTie Me Up! Tie Me Down!Women on the Verge of a Nervous BreakdownDesperadoBallistic: Ecks vs. Sever

Also named Carlito's WayMoulin Rouge

Not films filtered out: TV, games, ads

TV Peaky Blinders

Books Movies and Other ThingsBasketball and Other ThingsThe Rap Year BookThe Ego Trip Book of Rap Lists

Specials Freak

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