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The Best Movie of 2021 So Far, and a Chuck Klosterman Theory of Film

March 23, 2021/ 89 min/ Sean Fennessey · Amanda Dobbins

Chuck Klosterman stops by with two ideas: a defense of Adam Curtis's sprawling BBC documentary Can't Get You Out of My Head, and a long-standing theory about whether the movies a character has supposedly seen also exist in the reality of the movie they're in.

20 films across 2 segments.

AI-generated This episode was transcribed and analyzed with AI models. The matches aren't perfect — expect the occasional misheard title or a link to the wrong film.

Adam Curtis and "Can't Get You Out of My Head"

HyperNormalisation poster
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HyperNormalisation 2016

Curtis's shorter, less abstract predecessor to "Can't Get You Out of My Head"; Klosterman watched it after starting the new series.

The Chuck Klosterman Theory: Do Movies Exist Within Movies?if a character in a movie could watch other movies, which ones exist in their reality?

The Beach poster
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The Beach 2000

Klosterman's test case: does Titanic exist in the world of this movie, and if so, who plays the lead?

Titanic poster
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Titanic 1997

If it exists in the reality of The Beach, Klosterman argues Matthew McConaughey plays the lead instead of DiCaprio.

Contact poster
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Contact 1997

Part of Klosterman's chain reaction: if McConaughey is in Titanic instead, does Ethan Hawke get this role instead?

The Newton Boys poster
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The Newton Boys 1998

Another link in the McConaughey/Hawke recasting chain Klosterman walks through.

Dazed and Confused poster
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Dazed and Confused 1993

Cited as the movie that would have sent people to see Contact instead, in Klosterman's alternate-casting chain.

Last Action Hero poster
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Last Action Hero 1993

Schwarzenegger plays a character who steps out of a movie into the "real world" of the film, then meets the real Arnold; Klosterman's favorite example of the concept.

Fight Club poster
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Fight Club 1999

Raised for a street scene with a poster for Seven Years in Tibet.

Ocean's Twelve poster
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Ocean's Twelve 2004

Fennessey's pick for the movie that most aggressively confronts this concept: it posits a woman named Tess who looks exactly like Julia Roberts, so she can be used as a decoy for the real Julia Roberts.

Notting Hill poster
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Notting Hill 1999

Fennessey's counter-example: Julia Roberts plays a movie star who is essentially Julia Roberts, the same question turned around.

Godzilla vs. Kong poster
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Godzilla vs. Kong 2021

Klosterman brings up the then-upcoming release (referred to on air as "King Kong versus Godzilla") to ask whether the old Godzilla movies exist as historical fact in its world.

Footloose poster
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Footloose 1984

Klosterman's example of a closed-world movie with no other movies in it, though the hero's memories of dancing in Chicago complicate that.

I'm Thinking of Ending Things poster
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I'm Thinking of Ending Things 2020

Fennessey raises its parody of a fictional Robert Zemeckis movie as another version of the question.

Being John Malkovich poster
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Being John Malkovich 1999

Cited as a film whose internal rules simply have to be accepted, the way Star Trek's speed rules are.

Scream poster
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Scream 1996

The literal version of the theory: characters survive because they know the rules of horror movies from having watched them.

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood poster
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Once Upon a Time in Hollywood 2019

DiCaprio's character appears in fictional TV shows alongside real ones, and the film's ending diverges from real history entirely: what else is different in that world?

The Doors poster
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The Doors 1991

Oliver Stone's Jim Morrison biopic; a recent Rewatchables episode on it is what launches Klosterman's biopics tangent.

I'm Not There poster
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I'm Not There 2007

Klosterman's preferred model for biopics: an interpretive, non-chronological approach to a life rather than cradle-to-grave.

The Butterfly Effect poster
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The Butterfly Effect 2004

Cited by Fennessey at the close as "the movie that explains this concept" of small changes cascading into different realities.

Also mentioned raised along the way

In passing (movies-within-movies) RockyRamboOver the TopDesperately Seeking SusanCobraOcean's ElevenNixonZack Snyder's Justice League

Not films filtered out: TV, games, ads

TV A Century of the SelfCan't Get You Out of My HeadThe Power of NightmaresFriday Night LightsSt. ElsewhereCheersFrasierThe White ShadowWandaVisionThe CrownThe Twilight ZoneThe WireMad Men

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