Highest 2 Lowest 2025
Spike Lee's fifth with Denzel, an Apple/A24 remake of Kurosawa; opens in theaters August 22, on Apple TV+ two weeks later, which is what set Sean off.
The Big Picture · Discussion · Review · Interview
May 6, 2025/ 132 min/ Sean Fennessey · Amanda Dobbins
Sean and Amanda rebuild the 35-over-35 movie-star ranking, from Julia Roberts to Leonardo DiCaprio, after a review of Another Simple Favor. Then Sean talks to Nicolas Cage about The Surfer.
177 films across 5 segments.
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The state of the industrythe Trump movie tariff and a windowing gripe
Spike Lee's fifth with Denzel, an Apple/A24 remake of Kurosawa; opens in theaters August 22, on Apple TV+ two weeks later, which is what set Sean off.
The Kurosawa original being remade.
Denzel's last crime drama with Spike Lee; $185M.
$267M, cited to argue Denzel still sells theatrical.
Day-and-date during the pandemic and still made $30M.
Part of the global-cinema wave the tariff talk ignores.
The Apple dump that made Amanda nervous about Highest 2 Lowest.
Another Apple straight-to-streaming release Sean is annoyed by.
Same complaint.
Another Simple FavorPaul Feig's straight-to-streaming sequel
The peg for the whole episode: two 35-over-35 stars, neither of whom made the list. Sean thought it was bad, Amanda enjoyed the first 20 minutes of pure Kendrick-Lively rapport before it went broad.
The original, which made $97M in theaters and had a toxic curiosity this sequel trades for Dirty Rotten Scoundrels farce.
The con-artist farce the sequel actually resembles.
Part of Blake Lively's recent run and her image problem; Sean finds her better as a villain than as someone sympathetic.
Where Lively is a real asshole, i.e. her best mode.
Feig's real-comedy peak that Amanda wishes he'd return to.
Another Feig theatrical comedy.
Amanda's example of Anna Kendrick's 'why are you here' frequency.
Lively's cameo, part of her recent stretch.
Lively's voice work; also Krasinski's directorial effort, mentioned repeatedly later.
Toughest cuts and the Materialist testwho missed, and the three stars riding on one movie
Christian Bale (Sean's toughest cut), good in a bad movie.
Bale, on Netflix.
Bale; a disaster that made no money, orders of magnitude worse than a Hemsworth flop.
Chris Hemsworth (Amanda's toughest cut): huge on Netflix, but never a draw outside a franchise.
Hemsworth is great in it, but it didn't perform.
The last original theatrical movie Hemsworth made.
Hemsworth, Halle Berry, Barry Keoghan, Mark Ruffalo; a Michael Mann-ish crime movie, his next test.
Daniel Kaluuya's last leading role; where has he been?
Kaluuya, arguably his last lead before Nope.
Sandra Bullock's last leading role; $200M, then she stopped taking parts.
Bullock's cameo since.
Seth Rogen as a critical character, not the lead.
Rogen's last real star vehicle.
Janelle Monae looked like a movie star, then stopped making movies.
John Krasinski wrote, directed, and played the creepy father; voice/support doesn't count.
Ana de Armas: not out yet, so not eligible.
de Armas, one great scene.
Daniel Craig, still making them (for Netflix).
Craig's snub, which Sean reads as a stature demerit.
Dev Patel: a swing Sean liked, but not there yet.
Hugh Jackman, a sneaky awards contender at year's end.
Jake Gyllenhaal, fallen back into streaming movies and TV.
Zoe Kravitz, cut.
Dakota Johnson, coming off a tough stretch; a Materialist-test star.
Out in a month; Dakota Johnson, Chris Evans, and Pedro Pascal are all off the list pending it.
Pedro Pascal's Ari Aster movie; part of the loaded slate that still isn't enough for Sean yet.
Pascal, okay in it.
Pascal, fine.
Pascal as the maitre d'.
Pascal opposite Matt Damon.
The countdown: No. 35 to No. 135 movie stars, all over 35
No. 35 Julia Roberts: one of Netflix's five most-watched movies ever.
No. 35 Julia Roberts: the Luca Guadagnino campus drama keeping her eligible, maybe an Oscar play.
No. 34 Mahershala Ali: the quippy Harrison Ford part.
No. 34 Mahershala Ali: the Prowler, arguably the key voice.
No. 33 Anne Hathaway: the most anticipated movie in the world, and how she got onto the list.
No. 33 Anne Hathaway: David Lowery's A24 film, playing a pop star.
No. 33 Anne Hathaway: Michael Showalter directed her last one.
No. 33 Anne Hathaway: David Robert Mitchell, pushed 16 months, apparently has dinosaurs.
No. 32 Bradley Cooper: a leading role, and a maniac's movie Sean loves.
No. 32 Bradley Cooper: the other lead of the memorial 50-something slot.
No. 32 Bradley Cooper: his next as director; whether he qualifies hinges on how big his role is.
No. 31 Lupita Nyong'o: doing a lot of the eligibility work.
No. 31 Lupita Nyong'o: the Oscar.
No. 30 Glen Powell: the launch.
No. 30 Glen Powell.
No. 30 Glen Powell: legitimate fame.
No. 30 Glen Powell: the fall tentpole, plus the secretive J.J. Abrams movie.
No. 29 Michelle Yeoh: the Oscar win.
No. 29 Michelle Yeoh: a big star even if Sean thinks the performance stinks.
No. 29 Michelle Yeoh: her persistent recent run.
No. 28 Jason Momoa: chicken jockey; the thing that makes his case.
No. 28 Jason Momoa.
No. 28 Jason Momoa, amusingly, at the end.
No. 28 Jason Momoa: the Julian Schnabel movie.
No. 27 Channing Tatum: Derek Cianfrance's return, based on the true story of a McDonald's robber hiding in a Toys R Us.
No. 27 Channing Tatum: part of his tight comeback stretch.
No. 27 Channing Tatum.
No. 26 Viola Davis: the one Sean promised to watch and didn't.
No. 26 Viola Davis: they made this list right after it last time, which flattered her ranking.
No. 26 Viola Davis: Amanda hated it; her sister Grace called it a classic.
No. 25 Adam Sandler: the high point before a semi-muted stretch.
No. 25 Adam Sandler: dropping on Amanda's birthday.
No. 25 Adam Sandler: the Noah Baumbach movie, number-two role, lots of Oscar buzz.
No. 24 Jennifer Lawrence (a cheat, not 35 until August): the Lynne Ramsay film added to Cannes.
No. 24 Jennifer Lawrence: quite good and very funny.
No. 24 Jennifer Lawrence.
No. 23 Emily Blunt: the Oscar nomination that tacks onto her ranking.
No. 23 Emily Blunt: really good.
No. 23 Emily Blunt: the A24 movie with The Rock, plus the Spielberg UFO movie, i.e. being knighted.
No. 22 Tom Hanks: a performance Amanda loved.
No. 22 Tom Hanks: the Wes Anderson ensemble; they're not talking about it.
No. 22 Tom Hanks.
No. 22 Tom Hanks: a sequel is coming; nobody can recall the first.
No. 21 Cate Blanchett: what they were coming off last time.
No. 21 Cate Blanchett: doing a lot of work here.
No. 21 Cate Blanchett: a fiasco, not her fault.
No. 20 Robert Downey Jr.: Doctor Doom, the reveal that popped.
No. 20 Robert Downey Jr.: back to Marvel, to Sean's mild dismay.
No. 19 Keanu Reeves: brought in for reshoots to work the John Wick magic.
No. 19 Keanu Reeves: an angel in the Aziz Ansari comedy.
No. 19 Keanu Reeves: yeoman's work as an unreasonably hot doctor.
No. 18 Charlize Theron.
No. 18 Charlize Theron: the thin recent stretch that has Amanda begging her to make more movies.
No. 17 Chris Pratt: renowned for his work as Garfield.
No. 17 Chris Pratt: 'Jim State.'
No. 17 Chris Pratt: a Minority Report-for-brain-injuries pitch, with Rebecca Ferguson; it looked entertaining.
No. 16 Robert Pattinson: not a huge hit, but Sean thinks people are too hard on it.
No. 16 Robert Pattinson: he's Batman, Batman 2 pending.
No. 16 Robert Pattinson: the A24 drama with Zendaya.
No. 15 Margot Robbie: the phenomenon, Amanda's No. 2 of its year.
No. 15 Margot Robbie: where she went from 'are we sure she's good' to mattering.
No. 15 Margot Robbie: the Emerald Fennell one Sean is concerned about.
No. 15 Margot Robbie: September, opposite Colin Farrell.
No. 14 Joaquin Phoenix: the disaster in a tricky stretch.
No. 14 Joaquin Phoenix: didn't hit here, did well in Europe.
No. 14 Joaquin Phoenix: the new Ari Aster.
No. 13 Jack Black: a huge movie star, Minecraft plus Mario plus Kung Fu Panda plus Jumanji.
No. 13 Jack Black.
No. 13 Jack Black: a tongue-in-cheek riff on the '90s original.
No. 12 Ryan Reynolds: we're living in his century.
No. 12 Ryan Reynolds.
No. 12 Ryan Reynolds: the Spielberg-esque sci-fi mode Sean can't stand.
No. 11 Ryan Gosling: the Vegas footage looked great.
No. 11 Ryan Gosling: directed by Shawn Levy, and 'Star Wars' is the premium brand name.
No. 11 Ryan Gosling: the more appealing of the two Ryans, per the hosts.
No. 10 Matt Damon: 'pretty good,' but a movie about marketing.
No. 10 Matt Damon: the vault-up, plus Oppenheimer.
No. 10 Matt Damon: with Ben Affleck, whose mantle Matt is carrying.
No. 9 Dwayne Johnson: 'is it The Rock's Oscar time?' after five stinkers in a row.
No. 9 Dwayne Johnson: amusing; a soundtrack Sean's warmed to.
No. 9 Dwayne Johnson: part of the cold streak.
No. 8 Zoe Saldana: Neytiri, the biggest films of all time.
No. 8 Zoe Saldana: what an Academy Award gets you, a big jump from 27.
No. 8 Zoe Saldana.
No. 7 Michael B. Jordan: he did it, just a movie star; a huge, cool movie heading past $300M.
No. 7 Michael B. Jordan.
No. 7 Michael B. Jordan: his next, directing and starring, with Taylor Russell reportedly.
No. 6 Brad Pitt: a huge amount riding on it.
No. 6 Brad Pitt: not great.
No. 6 Brad Pitt: the David Fincher / Tarantino Cliff Booth movie is coming, for Netflix.
No. 5 Scarlett Johansson: so she's fine, whatever the scandals.
No. 5 Scarlett Johansson: fantastic in it.
No. 5 Scarlett Johansson: the Disney pay dispute era she's climbed out of.
No. 4 Emma Stone: the second Oscar, one of four with Yorgos Lanthimos.
No. 4 Emma Stone: 'the star of La La Land is niche,' Sean's rebuttal to himself.
No. 4 Emma Stone: her fourth with Lanthimos, out this fall.
No. 3 Denzel Washington, the only septuagenarian on the list; the Spike Lee movie coming soon.
No. 3 Denzel Washington: the best part, by a margin.
No. 3 Denzel Washington: Ben Affleck called it the greatest screen performance of all time.
No. 3 Denzel Washington: the best part of that too.
No. 2 Tom Cruise, down from No. 1; Sean sees it in a week, a huge moment in his life.
No. 1 Leonardo DiCaprio, up on vibes; the only person who could get PTA's movie made and released this way. A true box-office test.
In conversation
Cage's new film with Lorcan Finnegan: an enigmatic, nonlinear story with a psychedelic streak. He talks about the prop rat, the punk-rock-Billy-Wilder 'eat it' scene, and choosing parts he feels he doesn't have to act.
The strongest reference point; he heard Lancaster's voice in his head during one scene. Cheever's story is arguably more powerful than the movie.
New to him; the writer and director brought it up as an Ozploitation touchstone.
Peter Weir; a bigger influence on him than the Ozploitation label.
John Woo had him watch Bullet in the Head to show how far the performance could go.
The Woo film whose operatic scale told Cage what Woo would let him do.
Cage's pick for an underrated film of his; he chose it over Mystic River, and thinks it's one of Ridley Scott's best.
The Clint Eastwood role (Robbins's part) he passed on for Matchstick Men.
Part of the recent run of parts in conversation with his own career.
Christopher Borgli saw Wild at Heart and knew that performance style would work here.
The style younger filmmakers keep reintroducing; The Surfer has some of it.
Cage's last-great pick: Kore-eda's swapped-at-birth drama, some of the best acting he's ever seen.
Bruce Lee moving everywhere: one pole of compelling screen presence.
Charles Bronson doing nothing and riveting: the other pole. 'You just are that.'
Also mentioned raised along the way
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Not films filtered out: TV, games, ads
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