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‘Star Wars: The Last Jedi’ Is Just the Beginning for Rian Johnson | The Big Picture (Ep. 41)

December 18, 2017/ 15 min/ Sean Fennessy

A quick bonus interview: Sean Fennessy talks to Rian Johnson about making The Last Jedi, the character he couldn't wait to write, and the trilogy he's signed up for next.

10 films across 1 segment.

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In conversation

Star Wars: The Last Jedi poster
Rian Johnson on

Star Wars: The Last Jedi 2017

Johnson's own version of what Star Wars felt like growing up. He wanted buoyancy even in the darker, island-bound stretches.

Star Wars poster
Rian Johnson on

Star Wars 1977

The one he had toys for as a kid, his first exposure and the one that stuck with him most.

The Empire Strikes Back poster
Rian Johnson on

The Empire Strikes Back 1980

Got more into it as an adult; the Vader reveal is the model for the moral complexity he chased.

Return of the Jedi poster
Rian Johnson on

Return of the Jedi 1983

He was 10 when it came out, the ideal age for it.

Twelve O'Clock High poster
Rian Johnson on

Twelve O'Clock High 1949

Gregory Peck reference point for the Poe/Holdo authority clash.

The Dawn Patrol poster
Rian Johnson on

The Dawn Patrol 1938

British counterpart, with David Niven, same hotshot-pilot-vs-command trope.

Phantom Thread poster
Rian Johnson on

Phantom Thread 2017

His answer to “last great thing you've seen”: Paul Thomas Anderson is his favorite filmmaker working today.

The Master poster
Rian Johnson on

The Master 2012

Cited alongside Phantom Thread as work that lives in his head.

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