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Pro Wrestling Goes to the Movies, Plus Stephen Merchant on ‘Fighting With My Family’ | Interview (Ep. 130)

February 22, 2019/ 54 min/ Sean Fennessey

Sean and David Shoemaker survey wrestling movies good and bad, then Stephen Merchant explains how he turned a WWE documentary into 'Fighting With My Family.'

31 films across 3 segments.

AI-generated This episode was transcribed and analyzed with AI models. The matches aren't perfect — expect the occasional misheard title or a link to the wrong film.

The best (and weirdest) wrestling movieswith David Shoemaker

The Wrestler poster

The Wrestler 2008

Darren Aronofsky's film, David's pick for the best wrestling movie ever made. Not to be confused with the 1974 movie of the same name starring Verne Gagne, which comes up only in passing.

Nacho Libre poster

Nacho Libre 2006

What David would actually show his kids to explain wrestling, even though it wouldn't crack his list.

No Holds Barred poster

No Holds Barred 1989

Hulk Hogan; David calls it "cocaine riddled and insane" in the best way.

Rocky III poster

Rocky III 1982

Debated as a wrestling movie on the strength of Hogan's Thunderlips cameo.

Ready to Rumble poster

Ready to Rumble 2000

The cautionary example for what happens when a movie tries to partner with a real promotion, also tangled up with David Arquette's actual WCW title reign.

Body Slam poster

Body Slam 1986

Roddy Piper and Dirk Benedict; "the classic of the genre" to David, playing it dumb but unimpeachably sincere.

Paradise Alley poster

Paradise Alley 1978

Stallone's directorial debut, made right after Rocky, set in a fictionalized 1940s Lower East Side wrestling scene. Terry Funk appears.

The Foul King poster

The Foul King 2000

A South Korean film David says nails the fantasy of becoming a wrestler and then having to actually wrestle for real.

Night and the City poster

Night and the City 1950

Jules Dassin's noir, made between The Naked City and Rififi, built around one of the best wrestling scenes in any movie, with Richard Widmark, Gene Tierney, and Stanislaus Zbyszko.

The best wrestling documentarieswith David Shoemaker

Beyond the Mat poster

Beyond the Mat 1999

The one that hit David hardest as a young hardcore WWE fan, nearing its 20th anniversary.

Fake It So Real poster

Fake It So Real 2012

Robert Greene's documentary about a tiny wrestling promotion in North Carolina; David is friends with the director.

I'm from Hollywood poster

I'm from Hollywood 1989

The Andy Kaufman documentary about his pro-wrestling feud with Jerry Lawler.

La Lutte poster

La Lutte 1961

A Quebecois art film about the Canadian wrestling scene, made for the National Film Board and shaped by Roland Barthes's writing on wrestling.

In conversation

Fighting With My Family poster
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Fighting With My Family 2019

Merchant's film, adapted from a British TV documentary Dwayne Johnson sent him, about WWE wrestler Paige (born Saraya-Jade Bevis) and her family.

Tooth Fairy poster
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Tooth Fairy 2010

The film Merchant made with Dwayne Johnson years earlier. It's how the two stayed in touch, leading Johnson to send him the documentary.

Lady Macbeth poster
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Lady Macbeth 2016

The only performance of Florence Pugh's Merchant had seen before casting her: "a much more contained, controlled performance" than what he needed from her here.

Billy Elliot poster
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Billy Elliot 2000

Merchant's touchstone for a movie that makes you root for a kid chasing a niche dream you don't personally care about.

The Fighter poster
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The Fighter 2010

Merchant borrowed its trick of shooting fight scenes with real HBO boxing cameramen for his Staples Center sequence.

Rocky poster
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Rocky 1976

Merchant's baseline for a sports movie that works on people who don't care about the sport: there's barely any fighting until the end.

Rocky II poster
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Rocky II 1979

Merchant's favorite in the series.

Creed poster
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Creed 2015

Cited as the reboot that got the character-first approach right again.

8 Mile poster
Stephen Merchant on

8 Mile 2002

Another underdog-performer template Merchant had in mind.

Saturday Night Fever poster
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Saturday Night Fever 1977

Merchant's point: it's remembered as a musical but is actually a tough, dark, working-class drama that just happens to have joyous dance numbers, the same tonal mix he wanted.

Batman poster
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Batman 1989

Tim Burton's film, brought up over the choice to make the Joker Bruce Wayne's parents' killer, a young Merchant's version of getting mad online.

A Star Is Born poster
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A Star Is Born 2018

Merchant's reference for staging a huge, emotional live-performance set piece, like his own one-hour shoot at a real WWE taping in the Staples Center.

Jojo Rabbit poster
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Jojo Rabbit 2019

Merchant has a small part in Taika Waititi's then-upcoming film, alongside Thomasin McKenzie.

Leave No Trace poster
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Leave No Trace 2018

Merchant's pick for the last great thing he's seen: Debra Granik's film with Thomasin McKenzie, whom he'd just worked with on Jojo Rabbit.

Also mentioned raised along the way

In passing TrainwreckGuardians of the GalaxyThe Naked CityRififiMy Dinner with AndreActressBisbee '17Winter's Bone

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