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'Parasite' vs. '1917' : The Best Picture Showdown Is Here. Plus: It's Mailbag Time | The Oscars Show

January 21, 2020/ 80 min/ Sean Fennessey · Amanda Dobbins

SAG hands Best Ensemble to Parasite and shuts out Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and The Irishman; 1917 takes the PGA anyway and still looks like the frontrunner. Plus: Shea Serrano stops by for Bad Boys for Life, and a mailbag that reaches back to 1938.

124 films across 11 segments.

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Tea Leaves: SAG, the PGAs, and the Parasite-1917 Showdownreading the weekend's guild results

Judy poster

Judy 2019

Renée Zellweger's SAG win for this makes her the shakiest of the four acting locks, per Sean and Amanda.

Parasite poster

Parasite 2019

Upset winner of the SAG Best Ensemble award; Amanda calls it her favorite film of the year.

1917 poster

1917 2019

Won the PGA Award. No screenplay or acting nominations and no editing nod, which historically doesn't square with being the Best Picture frontrunner - and yet.

The Irishman poster

The Irishman 2019

Also shut out of Best Ensemble; ten nominations total with a real chance of winning nothing.

Little Women poster

Little Women 2019

Wasn't even nominated for the SAG ensemble award.

Green Book poster

Green Book 2018

Cited as precedent: last year's Best Picture winner wasn't nominated for the SAG ensemble either.

The Shape of Water poster

The Shape of Water 2017

"The giant fish movie" - same precedent, a Best Picture winner with no SAG ensemble nod.

Slumdog Millionaire poster

Slumdog Millionaire 2008

Scott Feinberg's comp for a film that swept the back half of a season on momentum with no acting noms.

Bohemian Rhapsody poster

Bohemian Rhapsody 2018

Won the Ace Eddie editing award last year en route to its Best Picture-adjacent Oscar win - an odd precedent Sean calls "preposterous."

Jojo Rabbit poster

Jojo Rabbit 2019

Tom Eagles won the Ace Eddie for comedy/musical editing, upsetting Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

Stock Up, Stock Downwith Shea Serrano

Bad Boys for Life poster
Shea Serrano on

Bad Boys for Life 2020

Shockingly good, per all three; the fan-service moment in the first ten minutes gets near-cheering.

6 Underground poster
Shea Serrano on

6 Underground 2019

Reference point for Michael Bay's Netflix output, called back to by Shea's prior listening.

Ranking the Bad Boys TrilogySean, Amanda, and Shea all land in the same order

Bad Boys poster
No. 2

Bad Boys 1995

No. 2 - Amanda singles out Will Smith sprinting down the bridge.

Bad Boys for Life poster
No. 3

Bad Boys for Life 2020

No. 3, though no disrespect intended - Sean and Amanda both liked it a lot.

The Bad Boys for Life Six Degrees Detourwith Shea Serrano

Gemini Man poster

Gemini Man 2019

Amanda didn't love it, but all three agree the action sequences are terrific.

Hunter Killer poster

Hunter Killer 2018

Jacob Scipio has a tiny role - one node in Shea's web of recurring actors.

All About Nina poster

All About Nina 2018

Common co-stars here, connecting the web back to Kate del Castillo.

El Chicano poster

El Chicano 2019

"Basically Mexican Batman" - not a good movie, but Kate del Castillo's fiery finale cameo is the highlight.

Mailbag: Ranking the Best Picture Discourseworst potential discourse first, per JubJub's question

Joker poster
No. 1

Joker 2019

No. 1 - worst discourse, no contest for either host.

Little Women poster
No. 3

Little Women 2019

Amanda's next pick - not a fun discourse, despite her being thrilled if it won.

Ford v Ferrari poster
No. 5

Ford v Ferrari 2019

Sean's pick for "old white man fable" discourse.

1917 poster
No. 6

1917 2019

Dull as a discourse subject, but people are getting testy about scrutiny of it.

Marriage Story poster
No. 7

Marriage Story 2019

Softer middle - a little Netflix conversation, not much anger.

The Irishman poster
No. 8

The Irishman 2019

Same soft middle - mostly Netflix-industry chatter.

Parasite poster
No. 9

Parasite 2019

Least controversial, though both expect an "overrated" backlash eventually.

Mailbag: The Best (and Worst) Best Picture Lineups Evera reader asks for the strongest year top to bottom

Rocky poster

Rocky 1976

1976 field, Amanda's addition - four of five are all-timers.

The Lost Weekend poster

The Lost Weekend 1945

Sean's 1945 pick - Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Wilder, and Hitchcock all represented.

Forrest Gump poster

Forrest Gump 1994

1994, Sean's pick despite the Best Picture win being one of his own reversal targets.

The Artist poster

The Artist 2011

Winner of the field both hosts call famously weak - maybe three of nine nominees worthy of the conversation.

The Help poster

The Help 2011

A movie Sean says he doesn't like.

Hugo poster

Hugo 2011

One of Sean's three least favorite Scorsese films.

Moneyball poster

Moneyball 2011

Both hosts love this one, and feel it's overlooked.

War Horse poster

War Horse 2011

Called "eminently forgettable."

The Post poster

The Post 2017

2017 field - the other contender for best-ever alongside 1975.

Call Me by Your Name poster

Call Me by Your Name 2017

Amanda loved it; Sean says he's not as high on it as most of their generation.

Mailbag: The Greatest Movies to Never Win Best Picturereader Godfather's list, plus Sean and Amanda's personal picks

The Third Man poster

The Third Man 1949

Sean's personal pick - his favorite movie of all time.

The Social Network poster

The Social Network 2010

Both hosts bring this up constantly as one that should have won.

Mailbag: Oscar History's Great Travestieswhat would you go back and change

Forrest Gump poster

Forrest Gump 1994

Sean's number one reversal - Gump beating Pulp Fiction is "no bueno," even though he likes Gump.

Pulp Fiction poster

Pulp Fiction 1994

The film Sean would hand the win to instead.

The Godfather Part II poster

The Godfather Part II 1974

Not the Best Picture race - the travesty is Art Carney winning Best Actor over Al Pacino's work here.

The King's Speech poster

The King's Speech 2010

"The trademark of this podcast" - beat The Social Network, which Sean still calls terrible.

When Harry Met Sally... poster

When Harry Met Sally... 1989

Nora Ephron's screenplay nomination - Amanda's pick for the win she should have had.

Do the Right Thing poster

Do the Right Thing 1989

Spike Lee wasn't even nominated for Best Director the year of When Harry Met Sally - the real travesty, per Amanda.

Mailbag: Performances With No Shot at a Nomination

Us poster

Us 2019

Winston Duke's work, overshadowed by Lupita Nyong'o's bigger, more central performance.

Midsommar poster

Midsommar 2019

Florence Pugh's performance - great, but not a film the Academy could ever get on the same wavelength with.

The Souvenir poster

The Souvenir 2019

Honor Swinton Byrne, Sean's "obvious" pick.

Plus One poster

Plus One 2019

Maya Erskine - a comedy performance Sean says has stuck with him all year.

Mailbag: Why Does the Academy Hate A24?responding to a reader's straw man

Moonlight poster

Moonlight 2016

The counterargument - it won Best Picture, so the premise is false.

Uncut Gems poster

Uncut Gems 2019

"Not an Academy movie" - too provocative for older voters, per Sean.

First Reformed poster

First Reformed 2017

Sean's "beloved" example from last year that also went unrecognized.

Mailbag: Grab Bagone wins, parlays, and reversing the sketch-not-blueprint problem

Ford v Ferrari poster

Ford v Ferrari 2019

Sean thinks it would have fared better at the Oscars if the Fox-Disney merger hadn't gutted its awards campaign apparatus.

The Lighthouse poster

The Lighthouse 2019

Sean namechecks cinematographer Jarin Blaschke as a win he'd want but isn't campaigning for.

Black Widow poster

Black Widow 2020

Cited as Florence Pugh's next big swing after Little Women.

Dune poster

Dune 2021

Timothée Chalamet's next major awards-adjacent swing, expected "later this year" at the time of taping before its pandemic delay.

Lady Macbeth poster

Lady Macbeth 2016

Part of Florence Pugh's run of lead performances discussed in the Chalamet/Pugh/Ronan Oscar-parlay question.

The Revenant poster

The Revenant 2015

Leo's prior Best Actor win, cited as the reason his Once Upon a Time in Hollywood chances are considered slim.

Birdman poster

Birdman 2014

Hypothetical: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood would've beaten it in a head-to-head, Sean argues.

Oliver! poster

Oliver! 1968

Cited as proof the Oscars are "a sketch in pencil" - calling it the best film of 1968 makes you "a buffoon."

2001: A Space Odyssey poster

2001: A Space Odyssey 1968

The film Sean says should have been considered the best of that year instead.

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