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Matt Reeves Puts Humanity in 'The Planet of the Apes' | The Big Picture (Ep. 18)

July 14, 2017/ 50 min/ Sean Fennessey · Chris Ryan

Chris Ryan on how directors get vaulted into franchise jobs, then Matt Reeves on the mocap grind behind War for the Planet of the Apes and his coming Batman.

19 films across 2 segments.

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The franchise-director trackSean Fennessey and Chris Ryan

Spider-Man: Homecoming poster

Spider-Man: Homecoming 2017

John Watts jumps from two tiny films to the A-list; Ryan reads him as a Russo-type the Marvel people like.

Cop Car poster

Cop Car 2015

One of Watts's two pre-Marvel movies. Ryan notes he directs kids well.

Clown poster

Clown 2014

Watts's small horror film, the other pre-Homecoming credit.

Baby Driver poster

Baby Driver 2017

Used as the yardstick: does Watts have a non-franchise swing of his own in him?

The Book of Henry poster

The Book of Henry 2017

Colin Trevorrow's misfire; Ryan thinks it's unfair to judge his Star Wars off it.

Dunkirk poster

Dunkirk 2017

Nolan's other choice: still big, but an intense, fat-free IMAX ride rather than a Transformers-scale blockbuster.

Pain & Gain poster

Pain & Gain 2013

Ryan's alt-history: Bay has spent a decade trying to make Nolan movies like this one.

Matt Reeves on 'War for the Planet of the Apes'

War for the Planet of the Apes poster
Matt Reeves on

War for the Planet of the Apes 2017

His second Apes film; the first with no scene lacking apes. Shot on Alexa 65, a year of writing with Mark Bomback, over a year in post matching Andy Serkis's face onto Caesar shot by shot.

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes poster
Matt Reeves on

Dawn of the Planet of the Apes 2014

He stepped in after Rupert Wyatt left and made it in two years, not the usual three; a crash course in motion capture he chose War to build on.

Planet of the Apes poster
Matt Reeves on

Planet of the Apes 1968

The endpoint the trilogy is written toward; you get the Statue of Liberty reveal only once, so the whole burden shifts from what to how.

Beneath the Planet of the Apes poster
Matt Reeves on

Beneath the Planet of the Apes 1970

His childhood favorite of the sequels; the mutants unmasking and praying to the bomb freaked him out.

Cloverfield poster
Matt Reeves on

Cloverfield 2008

An independent film made at Bad Robot, not the studio picture people assume; Abrams told him the VFX were the easy part.

Let Me In poster
Matt Reeves on

Let Me In 2010

A remake he turned down until it became the most personal thing he could make; John Ajvide Lindqvist told him to do it.

Let the Right One In poster
Matt Reeves on

Let the Right One In 2008

The Tomas Alfredson original he loved and was reluctant to remake.

The Pallbearer poster
Matt Reeves on

The Pallbearer 1996

His first film, a Miramax comedy with David Schwimmer and Gwyneth Paltrow; he was after Hal Ashby-style 'painful comedies' and it didn't fully work.

The Batman poster
Matt Reeves on

The Batman 2022

Next up: a noir, heavily point-of-view take that finds a parallel between Batman and Caesar as tortured men trying to do right in a corrupt world.

Also mentioned raised along the way

Name-checked in the director talk Doctor StrangeGuardians of the GalaxyCitizen KaneSaving Private RyanAtonementLone Survivor

Touchstones in the Reeves interview 2001: A Space OdysseyShampooHarold and Maude

Not films filtered out: TV, games, ads

TV FelicityThe Twilight Zone

Podcasts The Watch

Ads Mack Weldon