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'Downton Abbey,' 'Breaking Bad,' and Why TV Is Still Jealous of Movies | The Oscars Show

September 24, 2019/ 91 min/ Sean Fennessey · Amanda Dobbins · Chris Ryan

Sean, Amanda, and Chris Ryan on why hit TV keeps coming back as movies, the crowded supporting-actress Oscar race, a ranking of the award shows, and Ad Astra. Plus an interview with Downton Abbey director Michael Engler.

35 films across 5 segments.

AI-generated This episode was transcribed and analyzed with AI models. The matches aren't perfect — expect the occasional misheard title or a link to the wrong film.

Why TV Is Still Jealous of Moviesthe movie-sizing of prestige television

Downton Abbey poster

Downton Abbey 2019

The TV show as a feature: a $33M opening weekend, the biggest release in Focus Features history, beating the male-skewing Ad Astra and Rambo: Last Blood. Sean pegs it as basically one long Christmas special.

El Camino: A Breaking Bad Movie poster

El Camino: A Breaking Bad Movie 2019

Netflix's Breaking Bad continuation, due in October — the show's exhibit A for the tech and viewing habits finally catching up to serialized storytelling ambitions.

Deadwood: The Movie poster

Deadwood: The Movie 2019

HBO's revival film, cited as part of the same wave of beloved series returning as one-off features.

Between Two Ferns: The Movie poster

Between Two Ferns: The Movie 2019

Zach Galifianakis's Netflix release — 'barely a movie,' per Sean, but in the tradition. Favorite installments cited: the Obama and Bradley Cooper bits.

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Veronica Mars 2014

The fan-funded reunion movie, a template that preceded the Hulu revival.

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Once Upon a Time in Hollywood 2019

Held up as a star-driven exception to the franchise-eats-the-movie-star trend — though Amanda notes Tarantino is his own IP by now.

Stock Up, Stock Downthe supporting-actress race and the foreign-film politics

Hustlers poster

Hustlers 2019

Jennifer Lopez 'running very hard' for supporting actress, in a revised Versace gown; the front-runner-scrambler of the category.

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Marriage Story 2019

Laura Dern, long assumed the lock — now voters are recounting against J.Lo.

The Laundromat poster

The Laundromat 2019

Meryl Streep, Amanda's number one; different people, different accents every time.

Little Women poster

Little Women 2019

A crowded supporting field of its own — Florence Pugh, Dern, Streep, and Eliza Scanlen, with Saoirse Ronan leading. Out Christmas Day.

Ford v Ferrari poster

Ford v Ferrari 2019

Where Caitríona Balfe could run — Sean flags his mispronunciation of her name last week.

The Report poster

The Report 2019

Annette Bening as Dianne Feinstein, also in the supporting mix.

Portrait of a Lady on Fire poster

Portrait of a Lady on Fire 2019

One of the best-reviewed films of the year, a Cannes prize-winner picked up by Neon — and pointedly NOT France's foreign-film submission.

Les Misérables poster

Les Misérables 2019

France's actual entry over Portrait, directed by Ladj Ly and bought by Amazon.

Cold War poster

Cold War 2018

Amazon's prior play: a foreign-film submission it platformed all the way to a Best Director nomination.

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Gosford Park 2001

Robert Altman film written by Julian Fellowes — the role that got Maggie Smith the Downton job.

The Big Race: Ranking the Award Showsthe Emmys, Oscars, Grammys, Tonys, and Independent Spirit Awards

Metropolitan poster

Metropolitan 1990

Sean's self-diagnosis via the Whit Stillman character who reads the criticism instead of the book — how he now consumes the Emmys.

Ad Astra and Ranking the Space Moviesthe voiceover debate, and Sam Donsky's prompt

Ad Astra poster

Ad Astra 2019

James Gray's film — praised as tonally and technically unique among recent space movies; the shared gripe is the voiceover, which everyone would pare back.

Arrival poster

Arrival 2016

Amanda's clear No. 1 of the five, 'destroyed me twice in five days'; closer in spirit to Ad Astra than to The Martian or Gravity.

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Interstellar 2014

Sean's dead-last; Chris and Amanda rate it far higher, near neck-and-neck with Arrival.

The Martian poster

The Martian 2015

Expertly done but home to the wisecracking-astronaut archetype the group is tired of; rewatchable on HBO.

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Gravity 2013

An achievement on release that Sean finds not very rewatchable now.

Apocalypse Now poster

Apocalypse Now 1979

The upriver-to-confront-a-father template Ad Astra draws on; its voiceover cited as VO with a purpose (or, per Sean, a hack that saved a hard film).

Goodfellas poster

Goodfellas 1990

The other example of voiceover that earns its place — it's testimony.

A Hidden Life poster

A Hidden Life 2019

Malick, laden with voiceover Sean found way overstated — the counter-case.

First Man poster

First Man 2018

Part of the recent outer-space cohort Ad Astra is measured against.

Prometheus poster

Prometheus 2012

Also floated as belonging to the new space genre.

Last Christmas poster

Last Christmas 2019

The spoiler that ruined Amanda's Emmy night — is he a ghost? Based on the Wham song.

In conversation

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Michael Engler on

Downton Abbey 2019

The theater and TV director on making it cinematic without changing the DNA — drone shots, wider two-shots held longer, and hanging one film on the royal-visit story so every character still gets a beat.

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Michael Engler on

Capernaum 2018

His last great thing — Nadine Labaki's film; amazed by the behavior she got on camera from a child and a toddler.

Also mentioned raised along the way

In passing The GoldfinchBlockersPokémon Detective PikachuThe Dark Tower

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