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Are We Headed for a 2020 Oscars Disaster? Plus: How Disney Runs the Movie World, and Jesse Eisenberg and Riley Stearns on 'The Art of Self-Defense' I Discussion

July 9, 2019/ 67 min/ Sean Fennessey · Amanda Dobbins

Sean and Amanda open on 'Spider-Man: Far From Home' and the nine-month Marvel gap, work through Disney's live-action remake machine, then war-game a thin-looking 2020 Oscar race and Netflix's spending. Sean closes with a SXSW interview with Riley Stearns and Jesse Eisenberg on 'The Art of Self-Defense.'

41 films across 5 segments.

AI-generated This episode was transcribed and analyzed with AI models. The matches aren't perfect — expect the occasional misheard title or a link to the wrong film.

Spider-Man and the Marvel intermission

Spider-Man: Far From Home poster

Spider-Man: Far From Home 2019

Outpaced projections. Amanda's verdict: a charming teen summer trip movie for its target audience, less so as a set-piece film; Gyllenhaal's Mysterio 'doing Fincher the whole time.'

Midsommar poster

Midsommar 2019

A mild opening the same weekend. Amanda skipped it but had the plot spoiled by Chris Ryan.

Avengers: Endgame poster

Avengers: Endgame 2019

The benchmark the 'second-tier' Marvel movies are measured against; with no Marvel release for nine months, Sean chews on what the gap does to moviegoing.

How Disney runs the movie worldthe live-action remake machine

The Lion King poster

The Lion King 2019

Jon Favreau's remake runs 118 minutes to the 1994 original's 88; Sean can't find where the extra 30 minutes of story come from.

Aladdin poster

Aladdin 2019

A big international earner; the genie 'was just very genie.' Kids like it more than the hosts do.

The Little Mermaid poster

The Little Mermaid 1989

Halle Bailey cast as Ariel for the coming remake; the hosts read the online outrage as mostly bots and a few loud idiots.

Beauty and the Beast poster

Beauty and the Beast 2017

Amanda went alone in the afternoon and remembered every word of the songs.

Mulan poster

Mulan 2020

Niki Caro directs; the trailer dropped during the Women's World Cup final and staffers immediately asked where the talking dragon went.

Mary Poppins Returns poster

Mary Poppins Returns 2018

Rob Marshall, set to direct the 'Little Mermaid' remake; neither host thought this one worked, and it missed the major Oscar categories.

Cinderella poster

Cinderella 2015

The Lily James version, one of the classics already ticked off.

Pinocchio poster

Pinocchio 1940

The original animation. Both find it genuinely disturbing, 'especially the donkey boys.' A remake was long rumored.

Cruella poster

Cruella 2021

The '101 Dalmatians' prequel, with Emma Stone; part of a decade of IP still to mine.

Are we headed for a 2020 Oscars disaster?Sean's fake-anxiety note about the worst Oscar year ever

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood poster

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood 2019

The first real studio Oscar contender of the year; Sean rewatched 'Inglourious Basterds' and is very excited. Amanda counters it may be Hollywood-loves-Hollywood in the La La Land mold, not a broad crowd-pleaser.

Pain and Glory poster

Pain and Glory 2019

The new Almodovar; well received at Cannes, with Antonio Banderas a likely best-actor play, but no one's crowning achievement.

The Farewell poster

The Farewell 2019

A24; Sean interviewed writer-director Lulu Wang for the following week. He's unsure it's a best-picture candidate.

A Hidden Life poster

A Hidden Life 2019

The Malick WWII film, from Fox Searchlight; Sean expects an 'it's time for Malick' campaign.

The Report poster

The Report 2019

Amazon's CIA docudrama from Scott Burns; strong at Sundance, but the hosts have heard mixed responses since.

Cats poster

Cats 2019

Tom Hooper; Sean swears he'll be angry if it lands a major nomination. Amanda doubts Taylor Swift moves tickets for a movie about cats.

The Goldfinch poster

The Goldfinch 2019

Big literary adaptation from the director of 'Brooklyn.' Looks like an Oscar movie from another decade.

Little Women poster

Little Women 2019

Greta Gerwig's adaptation; Sean is looking forward to a Gerwig-versus-Baumbach awards season.

Ford v Ferrari poster

Ford v Ferrari 2019

American-engineering muscle Sean thinks some voters will respond to, though he worries about the jingoism riding alongside it.

Harriet poster

Harriet 2019

Kasi Lemmons' Harriet Tubman biopic, with Cynthia Erivo; classic Oscar material on paper.

The Netflix spending questionTriple Frontier, Red Notice, and the streamer's Oscar bets

Triple Frontier poster

Triple Frontier 2019

J.C. Chandor's Ben Affleck heist movie, reportedly $115M ('that movie had $80 million'). A report claimed its performance was pushing Netflix to rein in film spending; Ted Sarandos said 63M households watched it.

Red Notice poster

Red Notice 2021

The Rock, Gal Gadot, and Ryan Reynolds; a Universal cast-off Netflix swooped in for mid-episode, undercutting the whole 'Netflix is cutting back' thesis. The Rock's deal: $21M plus 30% of profits, which Netflix has to buy out in full.

The Irishman poster

The Irishman 2019

Scorsese's de-aging epic with De Niro, Pesci, and Pacino; rumored at $150M-plus. Sean notes even Scorsese rarely converts: 'Hugo' and 'Gangs of New York' didn't; only 'The Departed' got him across the line.

Marriage Story poster

Marriage Story 2019

The then-untitled Noah Baumbach film, in post for over two years and slated for a big Netflix push; a smaller Oscar gamble than 'The Irishman.'

Roma poster

Roma 2018

The last time Netflix went all-in on an Oscar campaign; a great film that lost to 'Green Book.'

Riley Stearns and Jesse Eisenberg on 'The Art of Self-Defense'recorded at SXSW in March

The Art of Self-Defense poster
Riley Stearns and Jesse Eisenberg on

The Art of Self-Defense 2019

Stearns' karate comedy about the aspiration of masculinity; a 25-day shoot, dead-earnest tone, jiu-jitsu instead of a stunt-double gloss. Eisenberg on the writing: 'we knew the purpose of every single shot.'

Faults poster
Riley Stearns and Jesse Eisenberg on

Faults 2014

Stearns' first feature; seeing the new dailies made him realize he had a style after all: his cheat pick for an ideal double feature.

Fargo poster
Riley Stearns and Jesse Eisenberg on

Fargo 1996

Stearns names it (with 'Punch-Drunk Love') as the kind of specific, self-contained world he tries to build.

Green Room poster
Riley Stearns and Jesse Eisenberg on

Green Room 2015

Where Stearns became a fan of one of his cast members.

Kumiko, the Treasure Hunter poster
Riley Stearns and Jesse Eisenberg on

Kumiko, the Treasure Hunter 2014

David Zellner's film; Stearns admired his performance and cast him as Henry.

Climax poster
Riley Stearns and Jesse Eisenberg on

Climax 2018

Stearns' last-great-thing pick, though 'Enter the Void' remains his favorite Gaspar Noe.

The Living Wake poster
Riley Stearns and Jesse Eisenberg on

The Living Wake 2007

Eisenberg's reference point for funny-but-not-comic tone: a gift to act inside a consistent world.

Zombieland: Double Tap poster
Riley Stearns and Jesse Eisenberg on

Zombieland: Double Tap 2019

Eisenberg contrasts its million-shots, cut-it-together scale with the precision of 'The Art of Self-Defense.'

Also mentioned raised along the way

The Oscar decade, revisited Green BookMoonlightLa La LandThe Shape of WaterSpotlightThe Big ShortBridge of SpiesBrooklynMad Max: Fury RoadThe MartianThe RevenantRoomGet OutLady BirdPhantom ThreadThree Billboards Outside Ebbing, MissouriUsA Star Is BornThe Greatest Showman

Genre touchstones in passing The Dark KnightA Quiet PlaceJurassic ParkDie HardThe Wild BunchPredator

Chandor and Thurber filmographies Margin CallA Most Violent YearAll Is LostCentral IntelligenceSkyscraper

Also mentioned The Meyerowitz StoriesLate NightBird BoxAlways Be My MaybeThe BabadookE.T. the Extra-TerrestrialTarzanThe Emperor's New GrooveHerculesLilo & StitchMoanaBambiThe Sword in the StoneRobin Hood

Not films filtered out: TV, games, ads

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