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'Ad Astra' Is a Masterpiece, and Brad Pitt Has Won 2019. Plus: James Gray on Making His Space Epic.

September 20, 2019/ 116 min/ Sean Fennessey · Amanda Dobbins

Sean and Amanda argue Brad Pitt is winning 2019, rank their favorite Pitt performances, and Sean talks to 'Ad Astra' director James Gray.

16 films across 3 segments.

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'Ad Astra'

Ad Astra poster

Ad Astra 2019

Pitt is Roy McBride, an astronaut sent to find his father (Tommy Lee Jones), who left on a mission to a far-off planet. A quiet, meditative character study with three or four whiz-bang set pieces; Amanda was moved, both hosts flag that the marketing sets up a bigger space movie than the one Gray made.

The Top Five Brad Pitt Performancestwo hosts, two lists

Moneyball poster

Moneyball 2011

Both hosts' No. 1. Billy Beane as the summation of every Brad Pitt mode (reserved, charming, dickhead-mean), carried on physical presence in nearly every frame.

Inglourious Basterds poster

Inglourious Basterds 2009

Both hosts' No. 2. Sean floats the case that Pitt is 'bad' in it; the Aldo Raine cadence is a self-conscious, instantly quotable voice creation.

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood poster

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood 2019

Amanda's No. 4 (tied for 2). Cliff Booth as the perfect 2019 match of actor and character: Tarantino plucking a star to comment on his own fame.

Burn After Reading poster

Burn After Reading 2008

Amanda's No. 5. Chad Feldheimer, Pitt's funniest, most in-on-the-joke comedic performance, handsome with terrible hair.

Ocean's Eleven poster

Ocean's Eleven 2001

Sean's No. 3. Peak cool-guy Pitt; the 'you think we need one more' bit is him doing nothing on a bar and being hilarious. Starts the Brad-Pitt-always-eating gimmick.

Snatch poster

Snatch 2000

Sean's No. 4. A bare-knuckle-boxing British gypsy you can barely understand, probably the most physically imposing he's been on screen.

Se7en poster

Se7en 1995

Sean's No. 5. Where a lot of guys met Pitt for real, and where David Fincher's sensibility first showed; the 'what's in the box' meltdown.

James Gray on 'Ad Astra'

Ad Astra poster
James Gray on

Ad Astra 2019

Harder to make than his Amazon shoot: one-man scenes with no scene partner, zero-gravity wire work, all-CG backgrounds built from the ground up. About 90% of what he wanted; he cites plausibility over accuracy, and Brad Pitt bringing more than what was in his head.

The Lost City of Z poster
James Gray on

The Lost City of Z 2016

Pitt produced it via Plan B; Gray tried to put his feelings about fatherhood and family into it.

The Yards poster
James Gray on

The Yards 2000

Gray rewatched it and marveled at the cast (Wahlberg, Phoenix, Theron, Charlize), who weren't yet stars when he made it.

Little Odessa poster
James Gray on

Little Odessa 1994

His first film, made at 23; he says he'd never let himself make a movie that young now.

The Immigrant poster
James Gray on

The Immigrant 2013

Cited as a film with more distance than 'Ad Astra': less subjective, less access to his interior life.

We Own the Night poster
James Gray on

We Own the Night 2007

The provisional-officer plot people called bogus though it's real: Gray's example that believability on screen differs from real life.

Two Lovers poster
James Gray on

Two Lovers 2008

He and Phoenix thought they were making a comedy, laughing on set; the first screening called it one of the saddest movies they'd seen.

Also mentioned raised along the way

Pitt's career and honorable mentions A River Runs Through ItThelma & LouiseLegends of the FallTrue RomanceInterview with the VampireThe Devil's OwnSeven Years in TibetMeet Joe BlackFight ClubTroy12 MonkeysThe Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonMr. & Mrs. SmithThe Tree of Life12 Years a SlaveThe Big ShortAlliedWar Machine

Oscar competition MilkThe Usual SuspectsThe Artist

James Gray on cinema StagecoachThe GodfatherThe Godfather Part II2001: A Space OdysseyGravityInterstellarFirst ManThe Empire Strikes BackRaiders of the Lost ArkCitizen KaneHeaven's GateThe Deer HunterThe Red Badge of CourageLa StradaVertigoApocalypse NowRaging BullBonnie and ClydeMidnight CowboyThe TripPunch-Drunk LoveThe Boston StranglerThe Narrow MarginCompulsionJoyThe Bullfighter and the LadyBatman ReturnsCaptain America: The First AvengerSupermanThe Dark Knight

Not films filtered out: TV, games, ads

TV FriendsBreaking BadDeadwood

Opera The Marriage of Figaro

Ads LuminaryBreak Stuff: The Story of Woodstock 99Three Watchables 1999