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8. I Love America | Do We Get to Win This Time?

August 25, 2023/ 71 min/ Brian Raftery

The Vietnam-on-film series closes out the boom: Born on the Fourth of July, Running on Empty and Dead Presidents move the war home, then the Gulf War and Saving Private Ryan send Hollywood back to WWII.

42 films across 1 segment.

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How Hollywood Made the Vietnam WarThe end of the boom, from Born on the Fourth of July to Dead Presidents

Sands of Iwo Jima poster

Sands of Iwo Jima 1949

The John Wayne WWII film Ron Kovic watched as a Long Island kid; Wayne's Sgt. Stryker death scene fed Kovic's love of the military.

The Green Berets poster

The Green Berets 1968

Wayne's pro-war Vietnam picture, which a wounded Kovic saw on a hospital pass and rejected: 'This is not the way it was.'

Coming Home poster

Coming Home 1978

Jane Fonda's Oscar winner, which Bruce Gilbert says Kovic's speeches helped inspire ('I lost my body to regain my mind').

Born on the Fourth of July poster

Born on the Fourth of July 1989

Oliver Stone's adaptation of Kovic's memoir, a decade in the making after an Al Pacino version collapsed. Tom Cruise took a pay cut and used a wheelchair for months; won Stone a second directing Oscar and made $70M.

The Exorcist poster

The Exorcist 1973

Cited for William Friedkin, first attached to direct the aborted late-70s Born on the Fourth of July.

Running on Empty poster

Running on Empty 1988

Naomi Foner's script about ex-radicals underground since bombing a napalm lab; Sidney Lumet directed River Phoenix, Judd Hirsch and Christine Lahti. Golden Globe for Foner, Oscar nods for her and Phoenix.

Midnight Express poster

Midnight Express 1978

Stone's screenwriting Oscar, part of the recap of what he did while Born on the Fourth of July stalled.

Salvador poster

Salvador 1986

Stone's film that, per the narrator, gave him a 'James Woods-sized headache.'

Platoon poster

Platoon 1986

Stone's breakthrough; Le Ly Hayslip handed out flyers outside her San Diego theater asking about Vietnamese dead, and it helped clear the way for Heaven and Earth.

Wall Street poster

Wall Street 1987

Stone's 'greed is good' hit, his other post-Platoon success.

The Deer Hunter poster

The Deer Hunter 1978

Cited alongside Coming Home as the earlier wave of tragedy-driven Vietnam movies.

The Exterminator poster

The Exterminator 1980

Example of the 80s damaged-vet action drama that treated Vietnam vets as ticking time bombs.

The Park Is Mine poster

The Park Is Mine 1985

Named in the same breath as The Exterminator: a vet who no longer fits into society and pushes back violently.

Risky Business poster

Risky Business 1983

Cruise's breakout; the episode's own correction notes it came out in 1983, not 1982.

Top Gun poster

Top Gun 1986

The jingoistic Navy-pilot blockbuster that made Stone wary of casting Cruise as Kovic.

Dogfight poster

Dogfight 1991

Nancy Savoca's gentle 1963-set romance; River Phoenix as Marine Birdlace, Lili Taylor as Rose. Savoca cut it as the Gulf War began and feared history repeating.

The Doors poster

The Doors 1991

Stone's rock biopic; Hayslip made him promise Heaven and Earth would have none of its sex.

Heaven and Earth poster

Heaven and Earth 1993

The last film of Stone's Vietnam trilogy, from Le Ly Hayslip's memoir; Hiep Thi Le leads opposite Tommy Lee Jones. A $23M epic that audiences and critics ignored ('I got slaughtered').

Forrest Gump poster

Forrest Gump 1994

Robert Zemeckis's six-Oscar hit; Tom Hanks as Gump, Gary Sinise as Lieutenant Dan, whose arc echoes Kovic's before ending happy.

Menace II Society poster

Menace II Society 1993

Albert and Allen Hughes's surprise-hit LA crime debut, made in their early 20s.

Dead Presidents poster

Dead Presidents 1995

The Hughes brothers' bleak Bronx-vet heist drama, inspired by Wallace Terry's oral history Bloods; Larenz Tate as Anthony, Chris Tucker, Keith David, Freddy Rodriguez, Martin Sheen as the judge. The boom's explosive finale.

Apocalypse Now poster

Apocalypse Now 1979

The poster on the Hughes brothers' studio wall; Martin Sheen's cameo as the sentencing judge nods to his lead role here.

Saving Private Ryan poster

Saving Private Ryan 1998

Spielberg's D-Day film that the narrator watched with two WWII vets; near half a billion worldwide, it spearheaded Hollywood's WWII revival.

The Longest Day poster

The Longest Day 1962

The John Wayne WWII hit one of those vets had been an extra in.

The Thin Red Line poster

The Thin Red Line 1998

Terrence Malick's Pacific-theater drama, part of the WWII revival Ryan set off.

Pearl Harbor poster

Pearl Harbor 2001

Named among the big-budget, A-list WWII films that followed Saving Private Ryan.

Hart's War poster

Hart's War 2002

Named among the WWII revival films.

For the Boys poster

For the Boys 1991

One of the pricey 90s Vietnam dramas that underperformed as audiences lost interest.

The War poster

The War 1994

Another pricey Vietnam-era drama that underperformed.

The Fog of War poster

The Fog of War 2003

Cited as a tough-minded Vietnam documentary from the last 20 years.

Da 5 Bloods poster

Da 5 Bloods 2020

Spike Lee's later Vietnam drama, named as a rare recent return to the war.

The Hurt Locker poster

The Hurt Locker 2008

Named among the post-9/11 war hits, contrasted with waning interest in Vietnam.

The Best Years of Our Lives poster

The Best Years of Our Lives 1946

The WWII-homecoming film Cue Chin's father translated for her in a Hanoi movie palace; it closes the series.

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