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3. Keep Your Distance | The Hollywood Hack

August 23, 2024/ 60 min/ Brian Raftery

The third episode of Brian Raftery's 'The Hollywood Hack' follows 'The Interview' from pitch to near-cancellation. Raftery traces how North Korea became Hollywood's default villain, from Team America to a digitally re-nationalized Red Dawn to Olympus Has Fallen, before Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg put Kim Jong-un's head in a slow-motion fireball. Screenwriter Dan Sterling and Belcourt Theater programmer Toby Leonard walk through the leaked Amy Pascal emails over the death scene, the chains pulling the film after a 9/11 threat, and the Christmas Day release that became a patriotic event. It ends on the hack's long tail: Pascal's exit and the Hollywood pay-gap reckoning.

11 films across 3 segments.

AI-generated This episode was transcribed and analyzed with AI models. The matches aren't perfect — expect the occasional misheard title or a link to the wrong film.

‘The Interview’the movie that supposedly started the mess

The Interview poster

The Interview 2014

Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg's comedy, with Rogen and James Franco as journalists the CIA recruits to kill Kim Jong-un (Randall Park), whose head is blown off in a slow-motion explosion at the climax. Screenwriter Dan Sterling started from a Rogen-Goldberg 'what if you interviewed Osama bin Laden and had to kill him' provocation, then moved the target to North Korea over drinks with a friend. His first draft used a fictional leader named Kim Il-Hwan; the real name came later, at the studio's suggestion. Sony CEO Kazuo Hirai pushed to soften the death scene, kicking off months of emails between Amy Pascal and Rogen ('maybe it's more charred than pink') that ended with the kill scored to an acoustic version of Katy Perry's 'Firework.' After a threat invoking 9/11, the four biggest chains pulled it; Sony released it Christmas Day 2014 in more than 300 indie theaters and same-day on Google, the first big studio film to open in theaters and streaming at once. It made about $12 million worldwide, and no violence followed.

Long Shot poster

Long Shot 2019

The Dan Sterling screenplay (a romance between a journalist and a US politician) he'd just finished when he met Rogen and Goldberg. It took years to reach the screen.

Zero Dark Thirty poster

Zero Dark Thirty 2012

Sony's bin Laden thriller, cited as proof the studio would defend a troublesome movie. Senators including John McCain and Dianne Feinstein wrote CEO Michael Linton demanding a correction over its torture scenes; Sony refused to change the film.

Hollywood's North Korea heaviesa decade of easy villains

Team America: World Police poster

Team America: World Police 2004

Matt Stone and Trey Parker's puppet musical, the highest-profile takedown of Kim Jong-il, who dies impaled on a German helmet. In 2005 North Korea asked the Czech Republic, where it had an embassy, to ban it. The request was denied, the only official objection Raftery could find before 'The Interview.'

Die Another Day poster

Die Another Day 2002

Pierce Brosnan's James Bond faces off against heavily armed North Koreans, released the same year Bush named North Korea to the 'axis of evil.'

Red Dawn poster

Red Dawn 2012

MGM's remake of the 1984 hit, shot with Chinese invaders, then digitally changed in post to North Koreans so the film wouldn't alienate the Chinese box office.

Olympus Has Fallen poster

Olympus Has Fallen 2013

North Korean forces storm the White House and execute the vice president.

Killing a real leader — the comedy precedentit had been done cartoonishly before

Hot Shots! Part Deux poster

Hot Shots! Part Deux 1993

One of the 90s comedies that assassinated Saddam Hussein as a gag, cited as a cartoonish precedent for putting a real leader's death on screen.

The Naked Gun poster

The Naked Gun 1988

Frank Drebin roughs up several US adversaries, including Ayatollah Khomeini and Muammar Gaddafi, a slapstick version of the taboo 'The Interview' would take literally.

Also mentioned raised along the way

Rogen and Goldberg's Sony hits SuperbadPineapple Express

A movie worth dying for The Social Network

Amy Pascal's Sony MoneyballAliSense and SensibilityCaptain Phillips

Pascal, the producer Spider-Man: Across the Spider-VerseLittle WomenChallengers

The risky studio movies Raftery misses The Girl with the Dragon TattooTo Die ForStarship Troopers

The pay-gap emails The MartianThe Huntsman: Winter's War

Sony's revived franchises Jumanji: Welcome to the JungleBad Boys for LifeGhostbusters

In passing BoratBorat Subsequent MoviefilmPan's LabyrinthIt's a Wonderful LifeMadame WebPirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl

Not films filtered out: TV, games, ads

TV The OfficeGirlsThe Daily Show30 RockSaturday Night LiveMad TVThe SimpsonsThe Tonight Show With Jay LenoEntertainment Tonight

Podcasts Just Like UsThis Blew UpGene and Roger

Unmade Pyongyang

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